As “Black Panther” Hits Theaters, We Revisit the Case of James Gunn Vs. Jodie Foster


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With set to break all kinds of box office records this weekend amidst unprecedented buzz and enormous critical acclaim, I was reminded of the back-and-forth between and right around the start of the year, when they expressed vastly different attitudes about the state of Hollywood and the kinds of it is producing.

Foster’s issue was with the bombastic nature of most product, and how, “Going to the has become like a theme park,” as she told Radio Times magazine in an interview. “Studios making bad content in order to appeal to the masses and shareholders is like fracking — you get the best return right now, but you wreck the earth. It’s ruining the viewing habits of the American population and then, ultimately the rest of the world. I don’t want to make $200 million about superheroes.”

Now that’s a fair point, and one that isn’t without merit, but before we start to dissect this, we need to hear from , who of course has some feelings about the matter, considering he has directed two such for Marvel Studios — Guardians of the Galaxy and its sequel, which have combined to gross over $1.6 billion worldwide. When informed of the two-time Oscar winner’s thoughts on the matter, Gunn took to Twitter to react.

“I think Foster looks at film in an old-fashioned way where spectacle film can’t be thought-provoking. It’s often true, but not always. Her belief system is pretty common and isn’t totally without basis,” he said in a series of six tweets. “I say not without basis because most franchise films are somewhat soulless — and that is a real danger to the future of . But there are also quite a few exceptions. For cinema to survive I believe spectacle films NEED to have a vision and heart they traditionally haven’t. And some of us are doing our best to move in that direction. Creating spectacle films that are innovative, humane, and thoughtful is what excites me about this . But, to be fair, at least from Foster’s quotes, she seems to see filmmaking as something that’s primarily about her own growth. For me, that may be part of why I do this, but spending many millions of dollars on a film has to be about more than that — it’s communication — so my experience is merely one spoke on that wheel. But I respect Foster and her talent and what she’s done for films, and I appreciate her different way of looking at Hollywood’s landscape.”

Now, the thing I like most about this is how respectful Gunn was of Foster and her opinion, because, again, it’s not without merit. Going to the has become like going to a theme park, and the studios are acting like frackers in how they are treating the moviegoing audience. The current business model prioritizing tentpoles is dangerous, top-heavy, and probably doomed to fail. I’m firmly with Foster on this, and have been fairly vocal about that very thing in this space. I talked about it just two days ago, in fact.

Where I think she goes off track, though, and where Gunn certainly takes issue, is to make a blanket statement that condemns all superhero as the same kind of schlock that often pollutes our multiplexes. That, in fact, couldn’t be further from the truth. Exhibit A is the very thoughtful, very relevant Black Panther, which hit theaters last night. Ryan Coogler’s comic book movie has more depth and texture than most films that have nary a superhero, and not only does it strive to achieve something beyond the norm, but it succeeds with flying colors.

Last year, there were no less than seven superhero in theaters — eight if you count Power Rangers — and at least three of them were revered as having achieved something new, fresh and exciting… not just within the genre, but simply on their own as films. Wonder Woman was a groundbreaking example of feminine strength that irrefutably proved a woman could carry one of these big-budget pictures. Spider-Man: Homecoming was a relevant look at navigating high school and the perils of being a teenager. Logan was an elegiacal portrait of a fading hero who is given one last shot at redemption, with an Oscar-nominated screenplay to boot. I have plenty of respect for , but to dismiss those three films on principal (not to mention plenty of other successful examples of the genre too numerous to list here), is to ignore greatness simply because of the package in which it arrives. It is the very definition of judging a book by its cover.

In the same interview in which she espoused these feelings on the superhero genre, Foster was asked if she would ever consider participating in one of these herself. Rather surprisingly, she said she would be open to it if it had “really complex psychology.” That’s a nice loophole she’s given herself, and one that I would venture applies to each of the three listed above. However, it also extends to plenty of other such films, including examples that I detested. For instance, I will be the first to tell you that Zack Snyder’s Superman movie, Man of Steel, is a complete and utter train wreck, but I will also acknowledge that, ham-fisted as it might be, it at least attempts to examine the psychology behind being alien, being more powerful than anyone else on the planet, and the concept of reluctant heroism. Those are some complex ideas to examine that, I would argue, a better director would have nailed, but I do give Snyder credit for trying.

Which is why I wonder if Foster was doing something of a bait and switch, or perhaps giving us an example of the old “Br’er Rabbit” ploy. By telling everyone that the genre is irredeemable, but that she would be open to being a part of it if there were enough complexities to a given story, it is entirely possible that she is covertly offering her services to helm one of these films so that she can somehow “redeem” the genre herself. In effect, by saying, “Please don’t throw me in the brier patch!” she’s actually hoping that this is exactly where the studios will send her.

It’s sort of ingenious, if you think about it. A better plan than most movie villains would concoct. And maybe that’s the whole point. But if we’re using Foster’s metaphor, and Black Panther is part of the theme park, then it’s one of the best rides — the kind that leaves you wanting more.

Neil Turitz 2 is a filmmaker and journalist who has spent close to two decades working in and about Hollywood. Feel free to send him a tweet at @neilturitz. He’ll more than likely respond.



  1. The point is that there are literally millions of stories that could be told, but the only ones the studios want to tell come wrapped in the super-hero genre. Maybe the predominance of the super-hero wouldn’t be such a big deal if there were plenty of other options to choose from, but there aren’t.

    Let’s examine some of the problems with that: for one, it reinforces the stupidity of the uberman concept, where only the person born correctly has power. Really a fantastic metaphor for a democracy, eh? For another, it reinforces the idea that violence is the way to resolve differences. Say all you want about how that doesn’t trickle down to real life, but you have to at least give pause when you look out the window at what our society has become. And last, despite all the hype and hoopla about WW, BP and GG, super-hero stories are 95% about white guys: everybody else is just there for politics.

    And talking about how complex and thoughtful these stories can be is a laugh. Maybe they would seem that way if you are brain-damaged.

    • Anti hate guy on

      The ugliness of your hate is bleeding into your comments, all of your points are generally laced with this disdain that makes you incapable of widening your gaze. Everyone’s information is about 50% wrong, it’s nearly impossible to tell which is which. Open yourself to this concept and you’ll be able to observe a situation objectively without this unnecessary venom. As it is your points are so toxic no one would listen except for those who adamantly agree and whats the point of telling them, you might as well just shout into an empty room.
      I don’t fault you for your human emotions, only your inability to filter them out when being critical.

      To your first point studios don’t choose what to make, they make what paying customers want to see. The audience chooses what gets made, if you have a problem with that take it up with capitalism (the practice of manipulating human nature for profit). Be mad at the clock not the hopelessly dependent gears inside. Take out a gear, the gear gets replaced. Take out the clock and the gears are set free.
      To your second point the “uberman” concept shouldn’t apply to aliens in a fictional story. Superman and Zod are of the same race, of completely differing ideologies, and they don’t have anything to do with being “born correctly”. Further more the number of people born incorrectly then given power far outnumbers examples of being born correctly. Steve Rodgers, for example, was born specifically without the power of even the most average human being. Through his outstanding moral fiber he was granted great power. King T’challa, even though born to king T’chaka, had to face trials and numerous (2) challenges to be the black panther, any Wakandan could challenge him and take his power. Eric Killmonger who was not “born correctly” did this and won but his motives were morally corrupt (though arguably justifiable) so he could not keep his power, a poetic antonym to what our obviously corrupt “democracy” actually is.

      To your third point violence has permeated our species since the dawn of time. It is a defining characteristic of humanity and almost every genre of film that involves conflict has violence in it. To paint this onto super hero movies alone is completely ridiculous and a clear bias to the genre. Most importantly an action movie with no violence isn’t an action movie, it’s a televised chess tournament.
      To your final point yes that is true probably almost 95% of super hero movies are white people. That’s because most of these comics were created by the pasty individuals themselves and humans generally tend to create stories based in their own experience. You confuse your general hatred for people of the devils skin with the culture of patriarchal Christianity. These comic books are white American culture not patriarchal christian culture (though that culture has some effect on most things). Comic book nerds were historically ridiculed, swirlied, and wedgied for creating and enjoying comic books. Comic books were incredibly lame to most people, only celebrated by the creepiest, weirdest of whities. So yes, just like most people in kung fu movies are Chinese, most people in comic book movies are white. As the audience grows more diverse so will the creators of its content and the characters created by them. So chill out, we’re making huge strides as a collective society. Any creature makes its loudest sound just before it dies, this administration is just that.

      P.s. Any story can be complex and thoughtful given the right person tells it.
      For your own sake try to keep your superiority complex in check, it’s not a good look.

  2. I disagree with 95% of what you just said!! Superhero stories are obviously not for your tastes. And thankfully you are in a very small minority. Personally i want more…more…more!!!

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